Wake up Shareholders! Raise Park Rates Now or FLOT Will Need to Start Selling NuShares to Increase Reserves!

[mhps]

maybe all motions should be accepted by default, and you only vote when you are against it?

Great. I propose to pay me one million. hashed and submitted. please be apathetic.

[irritant]

yeah i know it wasnt well thought through will go back to school

[JordanLee]

Currently no rates for the 1.5 month duration only has 9% support. This means 91% of minters (by share days destroyed) have configured their vote either manually or by data feed.

Shareholders minting with unconfigured votes is a small problem very much under control at the present.

[masterOfDisaster]

I’m glad to see that it was possible to awake them.
I’m not going to rant, that this shouldn’t be necessary at all etc.
It’s reassuring to see that it still works.

[Cybnate]

Without looking at numbers right now, I believe minters are making around an 8% annual return in block rewards.

Surprised that there are so less takers, but I’m happy minting with that return.

Everybody has the privilege of negotiating their involvement here so that it is something positive that benefits all involved.

True, just a bit concerned about the network security with this low amount of participation. I rather see more than 25% of Shareholders minting.

Do I really expect too much, if I want NSR holders to keep clients up-to-date and mint with registered data feeds?Which would be the bare minimum to deal with the current situation without too much struggle.

No, you are doing excellent work here,

Shareholders minting with unconfigured votes is a small problem very much under control at the present.

At the present indeed, but we clearly have to make it sustainable. Default datafeeds would help, just hoping there would be more providers to choose from. Frequency voting would be even better.

It’s reassuring to see that it still works.

Hope you stick around for a while

[masterOfDisaster]

Default datafeeds would help

I agree!

just hoping there would be more providers to choose from

Well…

• masterOfDisaster NuNet data feed
• masterOfDisaster B&C data feed

Frequency voting would be even better.

Default data feeds are good, but frequency voting is superior in so many ways.
It doesn’t need to be configured, you’re not at risk of registering a data feed that is poorly maintained (how to decommissin data feeds and based on what rules?), etc.

Hope you stick around for a while

Shareholders acting more reponsibly would make it easier.
…sometimes I find it harder than usual to convince myself of carrying on.

[Hibero]

As a shareholder of both B&C and Nu. These last few days have been quite concerning. I’m not very active with either but I check on B&C everyday and Nu every other day. Can everyone just please take a deep breath. I don’t like the amount of hostility and panic. This has always been a level-headed community, let’s keep it that way. Thanks everyone.

Also… I will be getting out of Nu and B&C if this dilution talk happens. It’s all emotional and sets a precedent. It brings too much risk into my investments.

[masterOfDisaster]

As a shareholder of both B&C and Nu. These last few days have been quite concerning. I’m not very active with either but I check on B&C everyday and Nu every other day. Can everyone just please take a deep breath. I don’t like the amount of hostility and panic. This has always been a level-headed community, let’s keep it that way. Thanks everyone.

Thank you for chiming in.
I don’t know where you found hostility and panic, but I can point you to discussion and alertness.
I agree that the expression “dilution” has a bad connotation. We should use “sell shares to improve cash flow” next time.
In the end it’s playing on words and the measure as well as why and how to use it, aren’t even slightly emotional.

The T4 reserves were getting low through balancing activities.
The park rates didn’t rise, although that was recommended for some time.
Planning to sell NSR from T6 funds was the rational move.
As a (spare time!) contributor of both B&C and Nu I care for those and want to do what little I can to keep them working.

What would be your advice how to deal with such a situation?
I know that the park rates are rising. 10 NBT are already parked:

nud -unit=B getinfo | grep totalparked
    "totalparked" : 10.0,

It looks like it finally worked to wake shareholders up.
But what should we do, if the park rates were not rising and the reserves getting even lower?

Also… I will be getting out of Nu and B&C if this dilution talk happens. It’s all emotional and sets a precedent. I can’t let my investments be risked by something that silly.

If you don’t want to have this financial responsibility for the products the coproration of which you are a shareholder, offers, well, do it…
…because you might need to face not only talk about selling shares, but the a sale eventually.

[mhps]

I will be getting out of Nu and B&C if this dilution talk happens.

You don’t need to leave B&C. The dilution being talked about is because there seems to be too little reserve to support the peg of Nu. Dilution of shares has been an integral part of the design that is free from counterparty-risk. It has been approved and happened before and I think it’s no big deal if used judiciously. It is the opposite process of share buyback that to be used in different situations.

[Nagalim]

Ignoring the problem and speaking in hushed tones is the ponzi scheme model of recovering the peg and is the weakest network defence at our disposal by far.

[masterOfDisaster]

Ignoring the problem and speaking in hushed tones is the ponzi scheme model of recovering the peg and is the weakest network defence at our disposal by far.

So few words and so wise - the essence of a lot of discussions!

[Sentinelrv]

Also… I will be getting out of Nu and B&C if this dilution talk happens. It’s all emotional and sets a precedent. It brings too much risk into my investments.

If people seem to be emotional it’s because shareholders weren’t doing what they were supposed to be doing. We have a multi-tier liquidity system. Tier 4 reserves are used to rebalance the peg on exchanges using Bitcoin and Peercoin securely held by our multisignature group FLOT. If demand drops and people start selling NuBits, then our tier 4 reserves will run low. That is the point where shareholders are supposed to activate tier 5 parking rates to add temporary buy support until demand returns.

If shareholders failed to activate park rates because they simply weren’t paying attention, then we would be forced to skip tier 5 and go directly to tier 6, where FLOT would sell NuShares in order to buy NuBits back and burn them. Nobody here wants to dilute NuShares, but there would be no choice if tier 5 wasn’t activated. Luckily, it seems shareholders have gotten the message, but it shouldn’t have come to the point where I needed to make a thread like this.

[jooize]

I agree that the expression “dilution” has a bad connotation. We should use “sell shares to improve cash flow” next time.

I’d say they have separate meaning. FLOT is in control of an amount of NuShares available for selling before (further) actual dilution is required.

[zoro]

It is the opposite process of share buyback that to be used in different situations.

Exactly that. Then the title of this topic can be changed in a more “friendly” one
And perhaps it is more profitable for an ALP to just use his/her BTC to buy NSR than use
them at buy walls. Only time will tell.

[Sentinelrv]

Then the title of this topic can be changed in a more “friendly” one

I tried to make it sound better. How about now? The main reason for titling it the way I did was to gain attention to the issue.

[masterOfDisaster]

Apparently drawing attention worked

[ChrisS]

You do not want every shareholder in the boardroom. Those who want to be in the boardroom are on this form. Those who do not want to vote I do not want to vote. It wouldn’t be a vote if it was obligatory, it would be a gun to the head.

[masterOfDisaster]

Minting “without” voting is voting against all. That’s the main problem…
Configuring votes (manually or by data feed) is necessary if you don’t want to mess the voting up.

[Sentinelrv]

Minting “without” voting is voting against all. That’s the main problem…
Configuring votes (manually or by data feed) is necessary if you don’t want to mess the voting up.

Hopefully setting the default voting behavior on new installations to abstain will solve this problem, so apathetic voters no longer have a negative influence on the network. They can continue to mint and provide security for the network without causing harm by not setting votes. Those who do configure their own votes or set data feeds will end up having a much larger influence. I’m sure it will also cause motions and grants to pass much faster, since apathetic voters will no longer be dragging the motion/grant down by unknowingly voting no…

Proposal to speed adoption of the reputation system

At the request of sigmike I would like to make a modification to the B&C 5.0 specifications, which are described in the original post. There has been discussion around adding the capability to abstain from voting when minting for a long time, going back to at least December 2014 when woodstockmerkle wrote about the possibility. I have been wary of any solution that would require shareholders to actively and specifically vote no on a grant or motion to prevent its passage. There is, however,…

[ChrisS]

Why not allow a shareholder to have an active and inactive status on voting? or even/also delegate votes…