Transferring all Nu assets to B&C? - Liquidating or 'archiving' or mini-Nu?

[backpacker]

I like the forced denomination idea better, reduce the supply straight away, gives time for exchanges to notify users of what will happen rather than force them into development or more likely delisting.

[Cybnate]

I like the forced denomination idea better, reduce the supply straight away, gives time for exchanges to notify users of what will happen rather than force them into development or more likely delisting.

At first it sounds better, but I don’t see any future profits from keeping a peg for traders our main customers. It is therefore most likely it will lead to the same outcome. Is a peg of $0.01 next?

At least traders on B&C can be our customers and if things go well other exchanges might add us again or we pay for some development so they can easily park coins in their control which would normally go into a cold wallet.

[backpacker]

Of course to generate profit we’d have to increase spread to 5% just like mod has done. I still think that would work with less sell pressure and good reserves.

[Cybnate]

Of course to generate profit we’d have to increase spread to 5% just like mod has done. I still think that would work with less sell pressure and good reserves.

You forget about the risk of BTC exposure and the cost of liquidity providers. I believe the revenue would not pay for that.

[crypto_coiner]

This is the end?

As long as there are a few minters, people coming in, people going out, in a permissionless way is expected.
This is not the end.

[ConfusedObserver]

It really depends on how much will be parked

Would parking reset accumulated coinage as well or is parking a transaction that requires a fee just like transferring the output to another address?
What I’m asking is: can you leave NBT unparked and are able to reset the coinage by parking them?

You forget about the risk of BTC exposure and the cost of liquidity providers. I believe the revenue would not pay for that.

Nu won’t be able to pay contributors like it did in recent times (NBT). The peg is lost and won’t be recovered soon.
You could go on and try selling NSR for NBT to reduce debts or BTC to have assets contributors will accept.

To succeed you need dedicated, passionate, clever and rational people who do it for more than just the money.
I see a lot of them here in the forum.
Listen to them.
Focus on the way that lies before you!

Paying NSR to active contributors can be a key to Nu’s success.
Provide contributors with a superior incentive to make Nu thrive - giving them a stake in the DAO helps.

It’s remarkable how many good ideas from @creon (tx fee based on coinage), @woodstockmerkle (e.g. beginning with Vanity addresses), @woolly_sammoth (e-USD gateways) there are and you don’t focus on them, because you are busy licking wounds.

As BTC/NBT is free floating you can very well try to make money (reducing debt) by buying NBT low and selling them higher.
Traders are doing that right now or why do you think there’s still trade volume at Poloniex and the NBT rate isn’t just continuing to drop like a rock?
There’s thousands of USD per day traded at Poloniex.
It’s no longer only people exiting NBT.
I’d only use little funds for that, because it’s risky and shouldn’t be your main focus.

Keep people dedicated to the mission, which is no longer chasing a fluffy tight peg unicorn at BTC/NBT, which only eats your money and leaves sparkling faeces.
Don’t follow leaders, just because you consider them leaders and you think you have to rely on them; question the reasoning!
Focus on NBT/USD.
Find ways to make revenue!
Pay contributors with NSR.
If you trade in non NBT/USD pairs, make money from the spread for you need to compensate real (operation) and calculatory costs (risk).

[cryptog]

Everything that you are saying is very clear and makes a lot of sense.
It is commom sense that we have been ignoring for some time, i feel.
Tks a lot for your advices.

I ve seen a light in what you have stated.

[ConfusedObserver]

@all, read this post until you really understand it:

I would honestly wait until everything is either parked or burned and then start to provide liquidity again, not sooner. Then, even if the parked amount is large, short term hedgers can see in the parking graph that they can use NBT without getting dumped upon.

In fact with this little change Nu can fuck up forever, again and again, because after a certain amount of time the sell order books will always be empty. Or of course, nobody will buy your token anymore

it’s a very important summary of how Nu can continue with a failed peg and yet has a chance to get it back eventually.

Thank you, @creon, for your help after you have been silent for a long time.
Finally some start to listen to ideas they had bashed 4 weeks ago.
This dream had to fail to let it be replaced by something more rooted to the soil.
This once appeared like a cult. It might be replaced by a business now.

[crypto_coiner]

Indeed, great reply @ConfusedObserver
Looking forward to more from you.

[Sebsebzen]

Can’t we just convert NSR in BKS within a certain ratio? That way we could maintain this community and wait for the right time to relaunch NuBits.

[mhps]

This is very disappointing

Why? The minimum price is too high but why despair?

Nu has all these infrastructure of a pegged crypto figured out – minters network that runs reliablly, wallets of several kinds, nubot and pybot, liquidity pools (MLP and ALP), FLOT that is a distributed low risk source of funding controller, motion and grant system, web site and forum … all these were working before the reserve was squandered.

Nu has an very much alive community and your proposal will disband it. I for one think talking and working with all these smart people in Nu community has more value than those $$ I have in.

To succeed you need dedicated, passionate, clever and rational people who do it for more than just the money.I see a lot of them here in the forum.Listen to them.Focus on the way that lies before you!

Yes.

[Sabreiib]

Nu has all these infrastructure of a pegged crypto figured out – minters network that runs reliablly, wallets of several kinds, nubot and pybot, liquidity pools (MLP and ALP), FLOT that is a distributed low risk source of funding controller, motion and grant system, web site and forum … all these were working before the reserve was squandered.

Nu has an very much alive community and your proposal will disband it. I for one think talking and working with all these smart people in Nu community has more value than those $$ I have in.

Go to BKC pegging, let’s start over. We’ve learned lots of lessons with nubit, hope become smarter next time!

[creon]

Would parking reset accumulated coinage as well or is parking a transaction that requires a fee just like transferring the output to another address?

Both the events of parking and unparking are blockchain transactions and therefore naturally destroy the coinage of the outputs used. So people who park will pay the fee for the accumulated coin age at that moment and only the remainder gets actually parked.

When the coins are unparked, the fee also applies. This could be avoided on protocol level, not sure if those transactions pay a fee right now. But even if the fee applies, the customer will still make a plus (or even) as long as the parking rate for this time period is >= the fee. So by aligning park rates and coinage fee you can basically model “you lose 20% if you don’t park, 10% if you park for 1 week, 5% if you park for 1 month, nothing if you park for 2 months and you gain 5% if you park for more time”.

What I’m asking is: can you leave NBT unparked and are able to reset the coinage by parking them?

Yes but in that moment they pay the fee for the accumulated coinage up to this point.

[mhps]

Go to BKC pegging, let’s start over.

If you can find out a profit model you can run your own pegging. BKC pegged to USD has no btc exposure therefore should be simple and cheap to run. so you don’t need a lot of profit to stay in black.

[Sabreiib]

My profit model is here

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1513978.0

B&C trade fee, Internet online payment, lottery, etc

[Cybnate]

Why? The minimum price is too high but why despair?

Hope on more support from existing shareholders to invest in this vibrant community. Some money going by the words.
In this thread I’m exploring realistic options and those that people believe in. [quote=“mhps, post:35, topic:4175”]
Nu has an very much alive community and your proposal will disband it.
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You haven’t seen my proposal, you will be surprised. You need solid discussion and listening before a realistic and supported proposal can be made. And then still…

BKC pegged to USD has no btc exposure therefore should be simple and cheap to run. so you don’t need a lot of profit to stay in black.

The same can be done with NBT, why does NBT need to be pegged to BTC? Never fully understood that other than as a risky and loss-making operation only good for marketing.

[crypto_coiner]

Why? The minimum price is too high but why despair?

Nu has all these infrastructure of a pegged crypto figured out – minters network that runs reliablly, wallets of several kinds, nubot and pybot, liquidity pools (MLP and ALP), FLOT that is a distributed low risk source of funding controller, motion and grant system, web site and forum … all these were working before the reserve was squandered.

Nu has an very much alive community and your proposal will disband it. I for one think talking and working with all these smart people in Nu community has more value than those $$ I have in.

I second all that

[ConfusedObserver]

The same can be done with NBT, why does NBT need to be pegged to BTC? Never fully understood that

Pegging to BTC made it easy to trade NBT for anonymously transferable tokens.
This was handy, when the 100,000 were dumped on the buy side.
Just imagine you had to deal with $100k in that case!

It made this possible:

• sell NSR for BTC (especially during the buybacks)
• buy NBT with BTC
• dump NBT on the buy side to get back your BTC
• wait for the system to collapse and buy NSR at a fraction of what you got during the buybacks
• buy some cheap NBT as well. They might provide some gain, if Nu recovers

Increase your share in the corporation and still have massive gain left just in case Nu is ruined (the difference between the buyback price of NSR and now is tremendous).
If Nu still makes it, you have an increased share in the corporation.
You can only win.

[Cybnate]

It is a very dark scenario, but indeed not impossible. It is what they call a long con.
It is a problem with having anonymous shareholders. Still have hope left for other less cunning scenarios which may increase the possibility of a healthy Nu going forward together with the lessons learnt in the last few weeks and months.

[mhps]

It made this possible:

sell NSR for BTC (especially during the buybacks)
buy NBT with BTC
dump NBT on the buy side to get back your BTC
wait for the system to collapse and buy NSR at a fraction of what you got during the buybacks
buy some cheap NBT as well. They might provide some gain, if Nu recovers

it has been discussed before

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