[Passed] Elect Phoenix as Chief of Liquidity Operations (compromise version)

Phoenix 2016-06-15 21:29:24 UTC #26

That is personal compensation. The contract gives me use of the 100 million NSR in FLOT funds. I intend to use them if I am elected.

ConfusedObserver 2016-06-15 21:30:21 UTC #27

Reminds me of history class:

Does Godwin’s law apply now?

Can I stop posting, because I’ve lost the discussion?

“there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion
forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and
whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress”

creon 2016-06-15 21:38:53 UTC #28

You really seem to need money Jordan, but maybe find some help outside of crypto to achieve that. If this grant even gets minor support, then shareholders should get highly doubtful when taking the current difficulty into account.

Sentinelrv 2016-06-15 21:39:42 UTC #29

@Phoenix, if this passes, is my understanding that FLOT will continue to hold the NSR in multisig? You will just have the power to direct them what to do with it? In other words, you will not be holding these NSR yourself, correct? Because that would be unacceptable for them to be held by one person.

MaVo 2016-06-15 21:39:54 UTC #30

Your impudence does not know any limits. You have probably made more than 100k US dollars from the buybacks and you keep asking for compensation. Let’s go for performance-related compensation! With every $0.10 that the peg is being raised and kept for 72 hours, you will receive 500k Nushares. First compensation kicks in with the peg level at $0.40.

Sentinelrv 2016-06-15 22:09:06 UTC #31

@Phoenix, it needs to be made clear in your motion that you don’t have the power to hold the reserve or NuShares for sale by yourself, meaning you cannot order FLOT to send them solely to yourself for any reason. They need to be kept under multisig control with FLOT. You can give FLOT orders on how to proceed with sales or liquidity operations using the reserve, but you cannot hold either yourself without multisig protecting the funds from theft. Can you please add something like this into the grant?

Phoenix 2016-06-15 22:11:15 UTC #32

Yes, FLOT will continue to hold the bulk of the NSR in multisig. I plan to ask for 5 or 10 million NSR from FLOT to begin with, to be split in single key addresses controlled by myself and one other person (it won’t be a secret who this is, but the person hasn’t been selected yet, but I will say I am planning on having a conversation with @jooize about filling this role). This NSR will be sold, likely through auction and Poloniex.

Sentinelrv 2016-06-15 22:13:47 UTC #33

That’s great. Can you please put the above limitation of power that I described in your grant just so it is official and shareholders have protection?

Confucius 2016-06-16 01:21:23 UTC #34

Sadly, I think that is wishful thinking.

Financisto 2016-06-16 02:40:56 UTC #35

If this motion passes - as Führer/Duce of Liquidity Operations - will Phoenix have the power to delegate his liquidity operations to unknown/non-reputable individuals?

BTW this seems to lead to a Guided/Managed democracy way.

This reminds me of some thoughts from Hayek: he claimed that a limited democracy might be better than other forms of limited government at protecting liberty but that an unlimited democracy was worse than other forms of unlimited government because “its government loses the power even to do what it thinks right if any group on which its majority depends thinks otherwise”.

ConfusedObserver 2016-06-16 02:45:33 UTC #36

@Phoenix, important parts of what you are going to do

describes behaviour for which @JordanLee created a post called “Make Firing and Replacing Incompetent Liquidity Providers Our Top Priority”

That doesn’t make much sense unless you want to

be marked as incompetent
acknowledge that this behaviour (especially increasing the spread) is the only reasonable behaviour, if the funds are low on buy side

Do you plan to make the spread symmetric?
And if, what for? To prevent Jordan’s motion text from strictly applying to what you do?

Or would you be trying to match the market needs?
Finally some reason…

I’d rather see somebody more competent than you apply for such a role and hope you don’t get much support for this motion. The only good thing is the transparency promised by this motion.

Are shareholders desperate enough to elect a pseudonym fro this job that registered a few days ago?
Seriously?

There are some good threads that try to deal with the situation:

This motion here isn’t among them.

Sentinelrv 2016-06-16 03:13:18 UTC #37

@Phoenix is @JordanLee. I believe I’ve read enough of his replies over the last several years to know the way he writes. Jordan would have called this person out a while ago if he was an impersonator trying to trick shareholders. I still don’t completely understand why he’s using an alternate identity. I thought he was trying to make a point about authority yesterday, but it doesn’t really matter. Voting for this grant means you’re putting Jordan Lee, the architect of Nu in charge of liquidity operations.

Nagalim 2016-06-16 03:19:23 UTC #38

All logic dictates that we cannot take this as truth, and must assume that @phoenix has built absolutely no trust with the community and may easily steal all funds entrusted.

Voting for this grant means centralizing all Nu’s power in some rando that just joined up a few days ago.

Yurizhai 2016-06-16 03:22:33 UTC #39

This 100%. It’s completely against what cryptocurrency tries to achieve, decentralization.

But even if we had the proof needed to feel confident knowing this is JL (we don’t), the fact that he is doing this and completely dodging questions about it still makes it unacceptable to vote for him.

Sentinelrv 2016-06-16 03:42:17 UTC #40

@Phoenix, please just drop the act and start using your @JordanLee account again. I’m 99.9% sure it’s you and most other people aren’t falling for it either. You write the same. You say the same things. You give long speeches about decentralization and liquidity. You act stubborn. You dodge questions about revenue. You put threads up for voting with no chance for shareholders to help in the drafting process.

It’s you. We all know it. Whatever the reason for this is, I have no idea, but it’s only hurting your chances of getting your motion passed. Just come back out as @JordanLee so we can get things done.

ConfusedObserver 2016-06-16 04:02:10 UTC #41

Just having a statement that @Phoenix is @JordanLee wouldn’t be enough.

Why not starting with providing airtight accounting information?
Or a comprehensive description how to use the discretion?

We can gather about JordanLee that he has an understanding about liquidity in theory, but no practical experience.
On the contrary: he has an immense lack of knowledge, that others have.

This would be your first choice as dictator of liquidity operations?
Are you out of your mind?

Did @JordanLee ruin enough to present himself or even better - a sock puppet - as the best solution that’s available and you believe that?

Why not having @Cybnate in that role? Or @jooize? Or @mhps? Or @Nagalim?
Because they’d first think and act then in a reasonable manner?
Do you think you need somethign crazy now?
Maybe you should vote for @Phoenix or @JordanLee

crypto_coiner 2016-06-16 04:24:05 UTC #42

Bitcoin invented the permissionless mining.
Nubits has invented the permissionless ideation and leadership.
This crisis is a tremendous opportunity to be all leaders, identify the cracks and fill them, one by one.

Sentinelrv 2016-06-16 04:24:33 UTC #43

I don’t know if Jordan is correct or not. All I know is that if I can’t trust the architect of Nu to know what he’s talking about, then I don’t see much hope for this project succeeding anymore. We’ve had almost 2 years to come up with revenue models and nothing has been accomplished.

Jordan talks a big game. He thinks shareholders have been doing it wrong and he’s the expert on how his system is supposed to run and knows what needs to happen. I say we give him his big chance to prove whether he really knows what he’s talking about. If he succeeds, then great. If he fails, then we know for sure that he’s wrong and we can either try to find a different approach or close up shop and move on. I feel like we’ve got nothing to lose at this point, so we might as well give him his shot to prove himself. Maybe I’m right. Maybe I’m wrong. That’s just how I feel.

But we need the real @JordanLee to stand up if he wants this to have any chance of passing.

ConfusedObserver 2016-06-16 04:40:00 UTC #44

You have to feel so much, because there’s missing facts.
There’s no accounting.
How often has it been requested?

Why do you think a single person can be that important?

Jordan abandoned this community and this project for all we know.
The time for big mouth talk is over.
You ran out of money.
If you want to recover, you have to prepare a plan that is better than “give me control over all your NSR and all discretion and I promise…”

PoP 2016-06-16 07:31:17 UTC #45

pst… I still think incentivizing nubits burning through gamble proceeds could work.