I’d like to transfer 5,000 NBT from my NuBot account, that provides a demarcation line at 7.5% buyside offset, to my recently started up NuBot, which tries to improve the liquidity situation by offering a tighter spread.
The NuBot account, from which I intend to transfer the NBT, currently holds 18160 NBT and 26.3 BTC. I don’t want to add more funds to Poloniex at the moment and would rather move from one account to the other.
@dysconnect, @ttutdxh, @jooize, @woodstockmerkle, ok or not ok?
I want you to do it. Thank you.
I concur. Thank you.
Done. tx ID 14e49fc5ec7ed2f875260889f207038adf47c0325f6d2debfe5e3488d305b66a
I have sent 21000 NBT to FLOT multisig address from the poloniex gateway.
Txid: c0555ff4158879b6cb9bda7d35dcf167102d0164119bdfe4b7a06a9ed4576369
I have another 20180.47096635 in sell side.
FLOT - what do you think about pulling the majority of Nu funds?
The goal would be to get an estimate of the free Nu on polo…because if there is ~12K now, some of us thinking of doing the buy back could put walls up at the current price…
For adding the FLOT funds to a global fund that aims at buying back nubits?
We have a choice - leave NBT on the market and force downward pressure for everyone that wants to get out.
Or pull NBT - have open market establish price - and wait for the swing.
Ultimately I’d like to see Nu burn a lot of NBT.
i don’t think there is much pressure from the wall. the spot prices is way below the sell price that there more than 10k nbt for sale buy traders below Nu price.
there isn;t much difference between burn them and have them is FLOT’s multisig address. in the buybackcalculator the outstanding nubits doesn’t have those nbt in FLOT’s hand counted.
Amount: 303355.4886 US-NBT
Address: BJLmVRdGFi4q7Zidwzr4CPPsLT6pozR31a
Fee: 2 US-NBT
Post was almost 30 KB, causing performance issues. To avoid freezing anyone’s browser I put the transaction on Hastebin. High fee because transaction was 5 KB and my signature added 2 KB.
Signed 1 of 3-of-5
https://ttutdxh-nubits.github.io/cointoolkit/?mode=nubits#verify
@dysconnect, @ttutdxh, @woodstockmerkle, @masterOfDisaster
Edit: Re-uploaded transaction to Pastebin.
Amount: 0.01 US-NBT
Address: BqyRzFtWXDmjxrYpyJD42MLE5xc8FrB4js
Fee: 303,357.4786 US-NBT
Signed 1 of 3-of-5 (Transaction at Pastebin)
https://ttutdxh-nubits.github.io/cointoolkit/?mode=nubits#verify
They “amount” field shows not found for all the inputs but seeing that they’re still burned I’m signing this.
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https://ttutdxh-nubits.github.io/cointoolkit/?mode=nubits#verify
Thank you @dysconnect. @ttutdxh, @woodstockmerkle and @masterOfDisaster what is your reason for not signing? Surely it is clear FLOT no longer functions and funds should be returned to shareholders.
@woodstockmerkle
Can you please elaborate why you wouldn’t return these coins so they can be burnt? I don’t think there is any harm or risk in that, is there?
This is a great opportunity to have more discussion about this.
I may have missed something in the motions, but I don’t actually see a motion passed that explicitly disbands FLOT or compels FLOT members to surrender all funds to the Chief.
Please correct me if I’m in error.
Create Chief of Liquidity Operations
https://daology.org/u/phoenixnubits/proposals/5b24b77d0be14846f18e0538a558c043eae70a2b
This motion mentions additional detail about the role of a Liqudity Operations Chief would/should be forthcoming. The next one speaks to it, but it does not read like a full job description.
Elect Phoenix as Chief
https://daology.org/u/phoenixnubits/proposals/9deb3f439c47b22a21be42d9fbc8b9d9bd1498bd
This one restricts the use of funds by the Chief to providing “liquidity.” WIth a critical read, I don’t see it mentioning burning the shares as being a facet of ‘liqudity’ – quite the contrary. However they could immediately be used to compensate Phoenix with no other control by the org.
Once outside the control of FLOT, despite claims to transparency, it is plausible the NBT could be shuffled around and used nefariously to put more downward pressure on the peg, necessitating more sales. As they remain locked up with FLOT, they are assuredly not in the market.
Extend Chief for a 2nd term
https://daology.org/u/phoenixnubits/proposals/da63b4d226e90a4fa80b1a002aa290f9d12f6b07
Make Firing and Replacing Incompetent Liquidity Providers Our Top Priority
https://daology.org/u/jordanleepeershares/proposals/e915a786bc7dfb82f116ecc202c5fc6baa9ebfdb
The definition did not include FLOT
So fully understanding that the power that was bestowed upon Phoenix came in a crisis situation, and from ‘the majority of the shares voting’ (Note: I did not say shareholders as that speaks to a count of individuals), it’d be worth using this as an opportunity to pause, clean things up, and articulate a vision for FLOT, etc.
I think after operating in ‘crisis mode’ for many months, and now with the peg stable perhaps Nu is coming out of that phase. What better way to celebrate than to reassure the market than with some housekeeping on roles and responsibilities in this “distributed” autonomous organization.
If Chief of Liquidity Ops is to be a permanent fixture of Nu, then I think all present and potential investors should know this. What was alluded to in the first motion should be defined with skills needed, responsibilities, compensation among other things – including how the role would be transferred to another individual. People also become incapacitated. Then what?
Second if FLOT is to be disbanded, this should be done as a motion as well. Again, clarity to the community.
As a last note, burning the funds or removing them from circulation will drop NuBits off the first page of coinmarketcap – the “top 100”. This is a loss of visibility that should not be underestimated.
Summary: pass a motion disbanding FLOT, with the requirement to hand it over to the Chief, and I’ll sign whatever transaction the Chief designates as authoritative. If it is the will of the majority of the shares voting, I see no reason why not put it to a motion.
That would dispel a lot of doubt and really clarify the direction those holding the majority of the shares want to take with this ‘distributed’ organization.
I appreciate the efforts you put in your post.
Formally you are right and I agree that it will bring clarity to have a motion for that.
But between you and me: you know what happens with motions that are in favor of JordanLeePhoenix? 
Thanks @woodstockmerkle for a well written post that is professional, factual and focused on solving problems. It is just the sort of conversation we should be having.
You are correct that it isn’t spelled out anywhere that FLOT must burn its NSR and US-NBT. That is why I not only asked FLOT members to respond if they would burn funds, but also asked if the answer to that question is no, then would they burn funds if instructed to do so in a passed motion. It seems apparent that burning FLOT funds is the sensible thing to do, and there is considerable (but inconclusive) evidence that shareholders wish to have FLOT return all funds. The most recent FLOT request for funding was rejected. In the official shareholder endorsed explanation of the default, FLOT was pinpointed as the cause of the failure, along with @masterOfDisaster. Most FLOT members aren’t active anymore, and that is a problem.
Your response suggests to me that a motion would be helpful, so I will add that to my list of tasks, but important and complicated questions remain about what the scope of such a motion should be and what its content should be.
Permanent is a long time, so it is difficult to say. The key issue regarding Liquidity Operations is that it requires expertise which very, very few people have. This won’t change. I suspect hierarchically organized departments getting funding from shareholders will be an important part of our future. That is what I am doing. It is what should be done in development too. We should have a dev team defined by a leader who gets funding from shareholders and pays subordinates. Other teams may also form. Along side them, we will have individuals getting compensation from shareholders. We will have companies and corporations doing the same.
As to the question of the degree of decentralization within liquidity operations, first I will say the value of decentralization has been taken too far by many on the forum. We need to avoid seeking decentralization as an ideological imperative. Instead, we should look at what works and what is efficient. Nu needs to be practical, not dogmatic. With that being said, there today a modest decentralization in liquidity operations by spillting responsibilities among myself, @jooize and @henry. If there were much more funding available, multiple liquidity operations departments might make sense. All it would have taken to save the peg in June was for one person or multisig group holding shareholder NSR to sell it and buy NuBits. With that in mind, we can see the more groups or individuals that have shareholder NSR, the more likely it is that at least one will not fail. Additional separate teams conducting liquidity operations introduces new problems, one of which is an enhanced risk of theft. There are others. We will need to put resources into mitigating them. However, for the time being, our funding levels are nowhere near adequate to begin considering ways to provide redundancy in liquidity operations. As is often the case, the only way to decentralize is to grow first. Ironically, those most concerned with decentralization on this forum have been the people doing the most to undermine it, by making the organization smaller. The formation of Augeas, for instance, has been a potent factor working against the decentralization of Nu, even as it has yielded no benefit in any other way. I would encourage those that want more decentralization to examine whether their actions are developing decentralization, or inhibiting it.
I believe all FLOT groups should be disbanded. Once funding is sufficient, we can approach using multisig groups again. They should consist of professionals specializing in the handling of funds subject to regulations and rules. They should use their birth names as they conduct business.
The bottom line is decentralization has some important benefits, but serving our customers in a cost efficient manner is in most cases more important. We are focusing on those things now. After all, the big problems we have experienced in 2016 didn’t come from a lack of decentralization. They came from not focusing on serving our customers.
A transaction was created, and signed by me and @dysconnect. Remaining signers are @woodstockmerkle, @ttutdxh, and @masterOfDisaster.
Signed 2 of 3-of-5 (Transaction at Pastebin)
https://ttutdxh-nubits.github.io/cointoolkit/?mode=nubits#verify
Signed 3 of 3-of-5
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