FLOT BTC Operations (buy side)

Let the show begin!

###Request
Request to have 10 BTC deposited to the (former) NBT exit gateway.

For now no pinging.
The situation seems to be more or less under control.
This is no emergency request, but a kind of planned balancing.

###Reasoning
Only 9.6 BTC are left in that account.
The former sell side gateway account has 19.4 BTC.

The liquidity situation at both accounts combined is unbalanced:

Next steps

I intend to withdraw 5,000 NBT after the withdrawal limit was reset.
Including the deposit of the 10 BTC this would lead to roughly
23,000 NBT
39 BTC ($16,000)

I’m requesting only 10 BTC, because I intend to withdraw more NBT in next withdrawal cycle.
That will balance the sides more or less if nothing unexpected happens.
Thereafter I’m going to withdraw in a way that tries to keep the sides balanced.

I’ve updated both this OP and the one in “NBT related” with the NBT or BTC address of the Poloniex accounts.
That increases the utility of the former gateways. The may continue as dual side NuBot and of each of it, the side that gets reduced can be refilled.

I dearly hope the liquidity situation will soon be improved.
I’m trying to operate the NuBots more passively than I did in the recent days.
I just can’t keep the pace any longer and I think, that I’ve found a sweet spot with an offset close to 1% that keeps the peg while preserving reserves on the account(s).

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signed 3 of 5-of-8.

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NuLagoon is broadcasting approximately 33k buy and 52k sell, and buy side is overall low. This is based on the understanding that NuLagoon will manage T1 liquidity on both NuLagoon Tube and Poloniex. @henry

@dhume @mhps @woodstockmerkle @cryptog @masterOfDisaster @jooize @ttutdxh Personally I prefer to divert NBT sales to NuLagoon Tube - it’s harder to game for abitrage, compared to putting orders on the flaky Poloniex API, while Poloniex should maintain a small amount of liquidity with some best efforts to avoid arbitrage.

I propose to buy approximately 9000 NBT from NuLagoon with 23.07 BTC. Be reminded that the 0.3% spread will be refunded (in 1-2 months), but the 0.1% exchange fee will not.

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How exactly will that support T1 on Poloniex?

This:

and this:

Out immedediate problem is not the overall unbalanced liquidity, but the emptyness of T1 at Poloniex (buy side).
The NuBots there have been fighting for the last 15 hours to keep the peg.

Quite succesfuly so far:

I won’t sign this, as it deals not with our biggest problem.

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Not immediately, but it is NuLagoon’s responsibility to help with that. This is an attempt to avoid the reflexive act of sending funds to your gateway, and to make use of currently available facilities.

This motion also dictates that the T1 liquidity maintained by NuLagoon is a function of the total liquidity balance of the network, so refilling T3 of NuLagoon is in fact a way to ensure some amount of balance T1, albeit not immediately and completely. I’m moving away from total support of Poloniex buy side and I try to favor automated off-exchange solutions. We can ping @henry to put more emphasis on T1 Poloniex and discuss with us how to set up NuBot with acceptable spreads.

I appreciated your explanation.

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Still I find it funny alarming that balancing seems to have priority over directly supporting the peg.
Something’s wrong here - speaking of NuLagoon, of course.
…a lot of money for a lot of passiveness…

Shouldn’t T1 be of paramount importance for a liquidity operation at an exchange already?
Sorry for my tone, but I’m on the ropes, even more than that.

Since 2016-01-15 Poloniex kept me busy, awake, under heavy stress, always watching, always tuning parameters, watching again, refining the offset.
I converted first one gateway (as gateway operating on T1), then the second gateway to dual side mode to improve the reliability and redundancy of their T1.1/T2 operation.
I realized that I can’t operate them on as gateway on T1 without running out of funds and keeping the FLOT busy with permanent deposit requests while I wouldn’t be able to withdraw the funds in an acceptable time.
Dual side mode was the only answer to that riddle.
FLOT requests to deposit funds decreased, right? And that in the face of an empty ALP buy side for a good part of the time and no backup fro NuLagoon.

Most cries for help went unanswered.
It looks like NSR holders don’t care as they are obliged to, nowadays.
The NuBots there could keep the peg so far, but I lost something else.

The tiered liquidity model has too much friction.
That’s why I proposed a radical solution.
The most helpful comment there is, that I write too much. True. I will stop that.

The NSR holders don’t even think the dual side bots, which play a significant role in keeping the peg on Poloniex for so long now, should formally be allowed:

Without subsequently filing a permit of what I do, I remain a breaker of terms. I’m not allowed to operate NuBots on Poloniex!
I interpret it as dual side NuBots are not wanted. Of course I’ll follow that vote.

I will decommission the Poloniex NuBots and withdraw all funds to FLOT before I need to go on a trip in February. I can’t maintain them from there. It’s too risky to use them, have funds there, if I can’t do anything from where I will be.

It’s too late anyway.
I’m burned out.

The hopes have been that NuLagoon Tube could displace some of T1 Poloniex. @henry intended it to be T1, and probably made a judgement to divert from Poloniex, but volume still didn’t happen outside Poloniex.

I also suspect that Poloniex NBT/BTC is actively taken advantage of, as it is indeed a quite exploitable - pybot or NuBot malfunctions and then it’s free money. When I tried NuPool I see that Poloniex rejects the API requests quite often compared to Bittrex, so these mishaps occur quite often.

I put in some of my own BTC for T1 and they were bought into almost immediately, and far from I imagined the process of balancing via NuLagoon wasn’t easy, withdrawing from and depositing to Poloniex being the largest bottleneck.

The reversed display also makes human trading on Poloniex rather unintuitive and contributes to our limbo. I suspect there are bots monitoring Poloniex for arbitrage opportunities, with very few humans trying to balance out the effects.

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I second that suspicion.
It could explain why an offset of 1% is so helpful in keeping the peg.

And those bots would help filling the buy side in “single side only” exchanges.
But this is, of course, speaking of an unwanted paradigm change in liquidity provision…

So you are proposing to favor NuLagoon over Polo. I think I can vibrate with that. After all, what is important is to protect the peg not the trade volume.

I am sorry to have you frustrated.
I think with some insistence we can get it to pass.[quote=“masterOfDisaster, post:153, topic:3117”]
I will decommission the Poloniex NuBots and withdraw all funds to FLOT before I need to go on a trip in February. I
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If the motion does not pass before your trip and you decide to decommission the bots, what choice do we have if the peg is endangered on Polo? I think we will have to reduce drastically the operations of NuPool or use T5.

It was no one in particular and especially not you!
But I think, this didn’t come out of the blue.

Even if the motion passes, it’s the rational choice to decommission them. I can’t maintain them from there.
I would still be glad of receiving a subsequently filed permission for my activity.

From mid November last year on I encouraged people to help at Poloniex.
The time’s running out, but it’s not yet too late.

Support this:

Draft an own proposal. Decentralize the NuBot operations.

While I have not yet reached the $1000 lower limit, I would appreciate it if you involve my T3 address in the upcomming buyback calculation. I calculate based on my last price entry that I could use around 3 BTC at this address if you don’t mind (I currently have 3.34649 BTC):
1DohemE7Nh8oxBEegomVTtuVurK93F8ssj

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Do you intend to resume your dual bot operations after coming back from your trip and assuming that the motion passed?


Do we still need this proposal to pass given this?

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NSR Buyback week 18

Signed 1 of 5-of-8.

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@cryptog, @Dhume, @dysconnect, @masterOfDisaster, @jooize, @mhps, @ttutdxh

Signed 3 of 5-of-8.

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