B&C custodians? What's up?

Sabreiib 2017-10-21 13:40:51 UTC #1

B&C Exchange v6.0.0 Release – Mandatory upgrade to cancel the grant

Nagalim 2017-10-21 15:50:34 UTC #2

So the number of BKS just bloated by +250%, presumably all to one entity? Fucking lol.

MaVo 2017-10-21 16:09:19 UTC #3

@jooize?

Does that now make me a clairvoyant?

DEXlover 2017-10-21 16:29:25 UTC #4

Man you are always negative. I hold some BKS but I am not sad. @Phoenix and @jooize won’t do that without a good reason. I want to see this project be finished asap. DEX is the future man!

MaVo 2017-10-21 16:39:00 UTC #5

My god, all say hello to @JordanLee aka @DEXlover. Fucking muppet show.

Phoenix 2017-10-21 16:53:09 UTC #6

The B&C Exchange network has recently suffered from connectivity problems and low difficulty, partly due to a lack of interest. There has been a lot of discussion going on in recent days to revive the mostly forgotten network, as it has become clearer we now have the funding to continue development in earnest.

I independently became aware of these grants less than 2 hours ago. While blockchain research is needed to clarify the situation, it appears these were passed by a single minority shareholder exploiting the recent low difficulty and poor connectivity.

I expect that B&C shareholders won’t allow the grants to stand, and @sigmike has agreed to release a new version of B&C Exchange that contains a checkpoint that will cause clients on the new version to mint on a separate fork that excludes these grants.

BlockShare holders will be able to use the new version of the client to essentially erase these grants from blockchain history, and we can be nearly certain this is what will happen.

Currently, BlockShares are not listed on any exchange. That simplifies our task of creating a fork that excludes the grants. Similarly, it is strongly recommended that BlockShares not be purchased until this matter is resolved, because BlockShare transfers will be forked out, just like the grants.

BlockShare holders should watch for the new version from @sigmike, and use it to mint as soon as it is available. That is all that is needed to resolve this matter.

Nagalim 2017-10-21 17:16:44 UTC #7

But I thought this means shareholders have spoken? Isn’t this situation exactly equivalent to the grants that elected you, centralized entities taking advantage of low difficulty and a large accumulation of matured shares?

Cybnate 2017-10-21 22:17:58 UTC #8

When shareholders speak this way without any other communication into the forum or elsewhere I believe it is clearly a fraud. Will tag the shares which vote for this. If not, then front up and tell who you are and what you want.

Supporting this.

[Passed] Reimbursing shareholder

MaVo 2017-10-21 23:12:49 UTC #9

There is no airdrop for you @Cybnate. Forget @serfer, @Tony and @henry. No free BKS for you.

Cybnate 2017-10-21 23:18:26 UTC #10

Not wanting any airdrops like these. Thanks.

lissajous 2017-10-22 16:44:02 UTC #11

This is pretty funny. I hope Phoenix feels the irony here really good and hard. The strongest PoS chain could be one that he doesn’t support. I’d mint on both forks just for the lulz and to support the ‘shareholders’ who run the network.

jooize 2017-10-23 01:26:28 UTC #12

@Nagalim, @lissajous: There is a difference between network connectivity issues causing shareholder votes not to count, and passive shareholders coming out to vote.

Is accumulation of passive shares a real concern for the fairness of voting?

It’s of course legal for shareholders to pass these grants. All shareholders will have still be able to vote for them. Seeing as we’ve been talking about low connectivity recently, and there’s no known plan for these grants, they seem quite clearly malicious.

Sabreiib 2017-10-23 03:06:55 UTC #13

How long does a grant cost? One week? I didn’t mint B&C for some time, it’s B&C shareholders fault not minting to provide security. We should add a minting difficulty barrier to pass this kind of grants.

Phoenix 2017-10-23 03:33:21 UTC #14

The short and simple answer is that it takes about one week to pass a grant.

There are some caveats, though. It can pass in less than a week with high support. It can also pass in less than a week if the number of shares minting suddenly increases. By protocol, 5001 blocks within a 10000 consecutive blocks must vote for a grant. Additionally, over 50% of share days destroyed in the same 10000 consecutive blocks must vote for a grant. Shareholders long ago voted to remove the share days destroyed requirement on the Nu chain. It hasn’t been prioritized for implementation yet. I presume the share days destroyed requirement will also be removed from B&C Exchange in the future. I support that.

Sabreiib 2017-10-23 06:57:44 UTC #15

DAO governance is obviously in the early stage, please look at Etherium, I prefer company style management, of course, CEO and board of directors can be anonymous as long as they are big shareholders. “Professional managers” without enough shares are not welcomed because we cannot punish them if they commit bad things.

Nagalim 2017-10-23 12:39:01 UTC #17

Why is there a connectivity issue? Is this being addressed? Low difficulty makes more sense. A connectivity issue is a serious concern, are the seed nodes not working properly?

Mr.Crowly 2017-10-23 15:44:17 UTC #18

Forgive me, for the stupid question of a beginner. How are NSR and BlockShares related?

jooize 2017-10-23 16:54:59 UTC #19

We don’t know why. Low interest would naturally cause fewer nodes and reduced difficulty, but it doesn’t explain why some clients had trouble connecting (Ubuntu) while others didn’t (Windows). We’ll set up additional seed nodes to include in the client.

What should the subdomain.bcexchange.org be? seed, daemon, node, nodes, …

@Mr.Crowly: BlockShares (BKS) is the stock of B&C Exchange, a decentralized exchange project derived from Nu. There’s symbiotic value in a partnership between both parties where NuBits can play a large role in the exchange. B&C owns NuShares, and Nu is now buying equity in B&C.

jooize 2017-10-23 17:51:03 UTC #20

A post was merged into an existing topic: MaVo’s removed posts

jooize 2017-10-23 17:46:15 UTC #21

B&C Exchange’s 237 million NSR are lost, but will most certainly be restored as it’s in the interest of Nu. We want a multisig group and need B&C authority to proceed. I have not prioritized Phoenix’ private NuShares. There are no more details to give.