[Passed] Motion to Make the Nu Source Code Available

[assistant]

Hi @cryptog

Here are the details for the Motion Vote on 6f361693a7b248730b41d4292f89dc6f6f166bc8:

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##[6f361693a7b248730b41d4292f89dc6f6f166bc8][1]
[1]: https://discuss.nubits.com/t/voting-motion-to-make-the-nu-source-code-available
Blocks: 2565 (25.650000%)
Share Days: 798570351 (26.423200%)

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This is the finalize motion to make the Nu source code open to the public. For more information about this proposal, and to view discussions about what items some community members belived should be completed on the development roadmap before they will vote for this motion, see:

• Draft Motion to Adopt An Open-Source License
• Read More

[cryptog]

25.65% of total votes now. rising.

[CoinGame]

Adding more fuel to the fire. This is a direct message I received from a user on reddit.

Hi I am a dev and entrepreneur interested in nubits. Can you confirm for me that javascript wallets and multisig is available? Is there a timeline roadmap for opening the source code? I would love to launch a global product but Nubits not being opened source makes such endeavors too risky.

I tried sending him a message back to smooth over his concerns, and said we would work with him. Never heard back. This is from a month ago. I’m still looking for all the tweets over the past couple of months, but twitter search isn’t helping right now.

[crypto_coiner]

Seems like open-sourcing the code attracts indeed entrepreneurs and would spark the launch of many products.

[masterOfDisaster]

That’s what underlines my impression that Nu can’t afford staying closed source if it wants to stay at the top of pegged crypto currencies.
Skilled devs will focus on other projects - the more of them the longer Nu stays closed source.
Why should they answer back if they already found something to work on?
Nu has been lucky to attract skilled developers.
Better not push the luck too far!

[Hyena]

While it’s crucial to release the source code at some point, the timing should be really good. For example, if we can close some “big deal” which would give Nu a big boost then releasing the source code at the same day would be a nice idea. Hypothetically speaking, if NuBits was to be integrated in BTC-e, Bitstamp or Coinbase then releasing the source code would be safe. NuBits would be above any clone competition then. It’s too bad that nushares and nubits share the same source code because if they were different builds we could only release the source code for nubits wallet but not nushares?

[CoinGame]

I don’t think there will be a “big deal” until we’re open source. While I agree it would be a nice idea of timing with some big release, most companies are reluctant to work directly with any decentralized networks. They operate through third parties like coinbase or bitpay. None of those third parties have touched any project that isn’t open source. If the third parties, which are clearly more daring and experimental, won’t even work with projects that are closed source it seriously leaves no hope for NuBits.

It’s up to the project to take on the risk and prove itself. There will be no “big deals” taking on that risk for us. I think we have the momentum to make it happen, and going open source will only speed up that process. Then maybe we’ll get queued up for some big deals.

[Hyena]

Yeah, I guess that’s the same risk Bitcoin initially took and no one cloned it for several years. So, let’s pass this motion!

edit:
can I vote a motion on the wallet that is not minting but includes the same private keys that the wallet that is minting? Thing is that my NuShares PoS ASIC is far away from me but I have the same wallet opened in my PC just to monitor how the minting goes. Would I have to set the motion at the PoS ASIC or can it be done at the monitoring wallet too?

[creon]

You have a PoS ASIC? What do I have to imagine when thinking about a PoS ASIC?

Regarding your question: No, you have to set it in the wallet where you’re staking on. You probably can also set it on the PC and then copy the walletS.dat over to the staking client (be careful though: the Nu wallet format is very sensitive to the db_cxx version. When you copy a walletS.dat created on one machine to a target machine with a different version of db_cxx, then nud will most probably crash)

[masterOfDisaster]

So, let’s pass this motion!

…unless NSR holders are too afraid to let it pass.
But then I don’t understand why they bought NBR at all. After all Nu is still a risky experiment.
Not letting this motion pass looks like there’s something to defend.
Trying to defend what can be sustained on that level doesn’t help Nu, but dooms Nu to be overtaken by competitors - sooner or later.

Nu has achieved great things. Almost all that has been achieved so far could be achieved by the developers, the community, the power of endurance of Nu alone.

I’s time to reach for more. This can’t be achieved by Nu’s internal power. The next big steps can only be taken if Nu is open source.
Don’t you believe the experience @Coingame had with developers and potential partners that refused dealing with Nu because of Nu being closed source?
Don’t you undestand what that means?
Don’t mess this up by being too afraid to make the right vote!

Even the passed motion might open some doors.
And once the 45 days have passed and the code is open source, lots more will be opened.

Do NSR holders really want to let Nu fight with competitors and don’t even want to remove Nu’s shackles?
Good luck with that uneven fight…

Nu is big, a giant in terms of vision, dev team and community. But this giant will stumble and fall if it can’t be released from the shackles that bind him, slow him, restrain him.

Go big or go home!

If you prefer to chicken out of voting “Yes” to this motion, better sell your NSR now, because they won’t reach the heights you might be dreaming of as long as Nu stays closed source…

[masterOfDisaster]

You have a PoS ASIC? What do I have to imagine when thinking about a PoS ASIC?

My guess is that it’s a RaspberryPi running the daemon.
As long as the Peerbox runs only Peercoin it needs to be a standard Raspbian or something similar that hosts the daemon.
“If ASIC is term for dedicated and energy efficient mining, then this is ASIC of PoS.”

[creon]

My guess is that it’s a RaspberryPi running the daemon.

Ah ok, then we’re in one boat and I can tell you from experience that copying the walletS.dat will not work. But I wouldn’t call a Raspberry Pi an application-specific integrated circuit … it can not only run the nud client but also the nubot

[masterOfDisaster]

“ASIC of PoS” is in terms of the energy efficiency.
ASICs of PoW have a very good energy per hash ratio that makes them ore energy efficient than non-ASIC solutions.
The “ASIC of PoS” is very energy efficient as well

As we know there’s no benefit of accelerating the speed with that the minting calculations are executed. But reducing the energy that is needed for doing the necessary calculations leads to a better energy efficiency.
Volia - the ASIC of PoS!

[Hyena]

Ok, then I can’t vote just yet. I go to my farm where the PoS ASIC is once in a couple of weeks or so. Luckily my vote wouldn’t immediately change anything anyway.

[masterOfDisaster]

…time to configure feeds…

[Hyena]

Is 0.5.3 out already?

[masterOfDisaster]

Datafeed: unsupported protocol error

I present you with the ARM nud for 5.3. Considering ARM binary is still not an official build, and 5.3 is still in beta, please consider this build a super beta. warning Use at your own risk. warning This still needs all the Peershares dependencies installed first. https://github.com/Peershares/Peershares/wiki/Linux You will have to install libcurl before using it. Running the command below should get you moving. sudo apt-get install libcurl4-openssl-dev https://drive.google.com/fi…

[Cybnate]

It’s too bad that nushares and nubits share the same source code because if they were different builds we could only release the source code for nubits wallet but not nushares?

Practically we have the source code for building and integrating with NuBits wallets. We have built an open source library (NuBitsJ) which can be used by developers for any NuBits integration. Same as BitcoinJ which is used for integration with Bitcoin in several developments. There is also an open source blockexplorer with limited API ( https://svr1.nubitsexplorer.nu). So one could argue that NuBits as a currency is already open source. NuShares, voting, parking etc is not. Is that a real problem right now? I still believe it is not (yet). There is only a lot of noise made about it by forum posters who presumably don’t know what this is about

Is Coinbase open source? BTER? Bitstamp? No, and they are still trusted to some extent… But Bitcoin is!

[masterOfDisaster]

Is Coinbase open source? BTER? Bitstamp? No, and they are still trusted to some extent… But Bitcoin is!

You gave the reason why Coinbase, BTER and Bitstamp are only trusted to some extent while Bitcoin is trusted fully
Bitcoin is open source!
Make Nu open source as well!
Even with NuBitsJ available Nu will lose lots of opportunities.
To rely on NuBits requires to rely on Nu(Shares) as well.
It’s not sufficient to have NuBitsJ…

[Cybnate]

You gave the reason why Coinbase, BTER and Bitstamp are only trusted to some extent while Bitcoin is trusted fully

And yet they are doing well as businesses. Same for NuNet as a business.

Make Nu open source as well!

YES for NuBits open source (it already is, yahoo!), NO (for now) to Nushares and our unique selling points open source.

It’s not sufficient to have NuBitsJ…

Why not, if you only need to work with it as a currency?