[Passed] Motion to Empower Motions

[ConfusedObserver]

Either JordanLeePhoenix bows to motions or he doesn’t.

Ever since I started writing here I had the feeling that he only points to motions/nulaw if it’s in his favour.
Handing over funds to RSOT obviously isn’t in his favour.
Plus there’s some explanation missing about how the funds were reduced (from $320,764 proceeds from the crowdsale) by $200,000.

This is regarding a position as reputed signer. I don’t see any room for applying double standards:

[Signer Voting] Phoenix for B&C Exchange Reputed Signer

I have a history of responsibly managing large amounts of shareholder assets in single key addresses in my role as Chief of Liquidity Operations. I have a well deserved reputation for being careful to be compliant with shareholder directives. I promise to follow the directives of BlockShare holders faithfully.

[Nagalim]

If BKS holders do not control their dev funds and motions are worthless, than 1 BKS is equal to exactly $0.

[cbe]

Ever since I started writing here I had the feeling that he only points to motions/nulaw if it’s in his favour.
Handing over funds to RSOT obviously isn’t in his favour.

Forking him out (expropriating him) isn’t in his favour.

What did you expect? You cannot fight dishonesty with dishonesty, and win.

[Sabreiib]

Forking him out (expropriating him) isn’t in his favour.

What did you expect? You cannot fight dishonesty with dishonesty, and win.

Strictly, no one can fork phoenix out of Nu/B&C, even augeas fans didn’t fork themselves out because augeas fan still have same amount of NSR. And no one has lost or will lose a single NSR/BKS, is it right? Phoenix still has the same amount of NSR and BKS, is it right?

[Sentinelrv]

Forking him out (expropriating him) isn’t in his favour.

What did you expect? You cannot fight dishonesty with dishonesty, and win.

If @Phoenix disobeys BlockShareholders, then not only is B&C Law worthless, NuLaw is equally worthless, because that means if he did it to BlockShareholders, he can also do the exact same thing to NuShareholders. His word will mean absolutely nothing and he will be completely discredited. Go ahead and sacrifice B&C. It will also spell the end for Nu as long as Phoenix is running liquidity operations.

[cbe]

Strictly, no one can fork phoenix out of Nu/B&C, even augeas fans didn’t fork themselves out because augeas fan still have same amount of NSR. And no one has lost or will lose a single NSR/BKS, is it right? Phoenix still has the same amount of NSR and BKS, is it right?

Right. With the only difference being the money will (might possibly) be wired to the forked network (excluding aka expropriating him).

[Passed] Motion to establish Reputed Signers Operations Team (RSOT)

Anyway since Phoenix currently holds the remaining development funds I don’t think forking him out is the best course of action to finish B&C.

[cbe]

If @Phoenix disobeys BlockShareholders, then not only is B&C Law worthless, NuLaw is equally worthless, because that means if he did it to BlockShareholders, he can also do the exact same thing to NuShareholders. His word will mean absolutely nothing and he will be completely discredited. Go ahead and sacrifice B&C. It will also spell the end for Nu as long as Phoenix is running liquidity operations.

Face it Gordon, B&C Law and NuLaw always was and will always be as worthless as trust.

Law that cannot be enforced in practice is worthless.

[ConfusedObserver]

@cbe, are you associated with JordanLeePhoenix in any way?
You appear to pave his way for running with the money

[Sentinelrv]

Right. With the only difference being the money will (might possibly) be wired to the forked network (excluding aka expropriating him).

It doesn’t matter what you think might happen. What BlockShareholders decide to do with their own dev funds is completely up to them. If they do receive the dev funds back, then I don’t seen any reason why they would need to be sent to another DAO.

B&C will continue being B&C, but have the money to finish development and Augeas will most likely end up being a replacement for Nu. If B&C doesn’t get the funds back, then the network may end up getting abandoned by shareholders like Nu.

[matthewd]

Go ahead and sacrifice B&C. It will also spell the end for Nu as long as Phoenix is running liquidity operations.

I am not sure B&C should be sacrificed, some/most of us have B&C shares. It would be nice to see it completed and functioning.

[Sentinelrv]

I am not sure B&C should be sacrificed, some/most of us have B&C shares. It would be nice to see it completed and functioning.

I agree. What I was trying to say there is that if he doesn’t turn over the dev funds when asked to do so by BlockShareholders, his credibility will go into the toilet even worse than it is already, which means he can’t be trusted as chief of liquidity operations at Nu. I’m trying to give him a reason why he should turn over those dev funds.

[Sabreiib]

With the only difference being the money will (might possibly) be wired to the forked network (excluding aka expropriating him).

I don’t think transfering money from one company to another is proper, unless a specific motion passed.

[Cybnate]

I don’t think transfering money from one company to another is proper, unless a specific motion passed.

This shouldn’t happen without a motion indeed. I wouldn’t support it.

[ConfusedObserver]

A question to shareholders:
is support for this motion held back to prevent it from passing before a2a32c8ef97f7145f05e97e0e7d69ead6a61dc47 possibly passes?
Otherwise I’d expect more support for it.

[Nagalim]

This has passed. We need just one more rsot member and we can request a transfer to decentralized accounting.

[Nagalim]

@Financisto you seemed vocal about rsot, would you consider being an elected member?

[Sentinelrv]

If nobody steps up for this last position then Phoenix will just override it again. You have a limited time to post your motion.

[Nagalim]

Just post a motion saying it cant be nullified. Or, require a 60% consensus to override. Something like that. Honestly, this whole tug of war thing has shown clearer than i ever could how stupid the peershares template really is. For example, take two motions that contradict eah other released at the same time. Assume they both pass. The one with the lower support is actually the one that wins because it passes after the one with higher support. Thats like laughably stupid.

[Sabreiib]

That’s why the “board of directors” exist in real world!

Modern enterprise management system ---- ready
Hayek private money theory ---- ready

But we are strolling around & wasting time and let competitors overtake us.

[Sabreiib]

I believe @phoenix is also a big BKS holder, so he may become one of RSOT. I know there are some people dislike him, but business is business. We are on same boat.