I’m convinced and am on team ‘get ccedk up on the website’. I’m a fan of putting it up on the website by default and proposing a motion to take it off, then seeing if that passes.
I think Ronny has clearly communicated on discuss.nubits.com how the settlements work with users who lost money. You can argue about whether that should be Twittered around, but a statement on the CCEDK website that settlements have been achieved and that payments are underway would be nice but not a showstopper to list them on NuBits.com.
At this stage we have to assume that Ronny follows up on his settlements in the same way as BTER does. In both cases we don’t know for sure whether that will happen but there is a clear intention by CCEDK which has just been confirmed again.
So I think either BTER should be removed or CCEDK should be added if we apply the same rules. And again I think it is worth to add a statement that NuBits doesn’t endorse any of the exchanges and that users do need to do their own due diligence when trading of keeping coins on an exchange e.g. by reading our forums. The current information in this forum is more than adequate for every user to assess whether they accept the risk.
BTW I would support someone defining a full list of verifiable criteria when an exchange should be listed or not, but I’m not sure whether that is feasible without many disclaimers and/or third party involvement.
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That’s what I think as well. The exchange page shall provide an overview of places where NBT and NSR can be traded.
Which one to choose is up to the customer and not to Nu.
I see no reason to act as a guardian for customers.
A disclaimer
seems to be appropriate.
Wouldn’t it be better for Nu and CCEDK not to make it unnecessarily hard for CCEDK to pay back its debts by excluding it from the exchange page?
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I don’t support the ideas of the previous posts. As shareholders we do have an obligation to protect new users, and we do have an obligation to only display exchanges that we believe are acting responsibly. If I were a new user thinking about getting involved with NuShares today, I would be hesitating to join a community that thinks it has zero obligations in ensuring user safety. Placing CCEDK on the exchanges page of https://nubits.com is an official endorsement from the Nu network.
Prioritizing short-term goals like trading pair availability at the expense of the long-term reputation of the Nu network is a dangerous road to follow. If shareholders want CCEDK on the exchanges page they should pass a motion directing me to do so, at which point I will comply immediately. Motions exist to generate consensus on contentious issues and this is an ideal situation to use it.
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32020c2d2894af2c0274f3992580f166264d448e confirmed.
The behaviour of CCEDK back then in February hasn’t been like I’d have liked CCEDK to behave. But it seems that they have learned a lesson and try their best to pay back their debts to Nu. I don’t know what else Nu can expect or demand.
And I don’t see the difference to bter when looking at the current status - both owe Nu money and both try to pay it back.
One is listed at the exchange page. The other isn’t.
There was a big difference treating the situation as it was fresh. Not listing CCEDK while listing bter has a bad aftertaste of punishing that behaviour.
Trying to display only exchanges that Nu believes to act responsibly shifts a resonsibility to Nu which Nu can’t cope with - Nu doesn’t have information to determine which exchange acts responsibly.
Nu can try to provide additional information about exchanges to assist the decision of customers (but even that would be too much for my taste).
I don’t see Nu making decisions for NBT/NSR users (which is done by selecting exchanges that are listed). That is just not in line with my understanding of enlightenened customers doing business.
Nu provides a stable crypto currency. As far as I’m aware Nu’s portfolio doesn’t include rating exchanges.
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That is certainly good intention. But sorry Nu can’t even protect itself from all sort of interntional or accidental mishappenings at exchanges, losing tens of thousand. The best Nu can do to protect users is teach principles and guide lines and pointing to source of information (such this thread).
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Attention fake Fb exchange
a site just popped up on the radar as a fake exchange trying to emulate Poloniex Exchange
by posing as Poloniex on facebook https://www.facebook.com/poloniextrades trying redirecting people to login fake site with : http://bit.do/poloniex-exchange
this is why should be careful adding sites when investors know the fake scam these scammers might try different tactics making their own fake exchange…one gox was enough
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Looks like we have very polarised camps here which have been dug in deeply. I’m not very keen on putting this sort of thing through motions for the reasons mentioned above. It also sets a precedent, but apparently it seems to be the only way to move forward. So here is my proposed motion which also includes some improvements. I’ve also made the motion more generic, so we don’t need to have this discussion for each exchange again and again.
To me there is no value adding into a motion that it can be revoked. When there is evidence there is no bases to assess as whether the source of the evidence is valid, or whether the evidence is strong enough to take measures etc. This is asking for more trouble and discussions.
However I do support discretionary measures when time is of the essence, but I think they will need to be endorsed by the shareholders with a motion to be raised by the person who takes the discretionary action. When it is not endorsed within 14 days the measures will be rolled back.
Let me know what you think.
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This motion is to express the desire of NuShares holders to list all NuBits and NuShares exchange resources in all current and future marketing materials which are under the control of the Nu team.
The listing of an exchange may be removed at the discretion of the Nu team if strong evidence arises that a listed exchange could pose as a liability to NuShares holders or users of NuBits and time is of the essence. Such an action will be followed with a motion for the Shareholders to endorse this action. When the action is not endorsed within 14 days after the removal of the listing the removed listing shall be placed back without changes.
The Nu team will also add the following disclaimer to both pages which currently list exchanges and any other lists of exchanges published in the future by the NU team on behalf of the NuShareholders:
The exchanges listed are not endorsed by the NuShareholders by any means. The NuShareholders cannot be held liable for any funds lost by using these exchanges. This listing only intends to be an overview where NuShares and NuBits can be traded. Users of these exchanges need to do their own due diligence before using these exchanges. This can be done by searching the discuss.nubits.com forums for any previous events or asking questions in the community.
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I’m sure the wording of the disclaimer can be improved. But I’m just putting this up to test the waters.
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Good. Give the team the power to shoot first and ask later in an emergency.
“This motion is to express the desire of NuShares holders to list CCEDK as an exchange resource in all current and future marketing materials which are under the control of the Nu team.”
Maybe replace this bit with:
“The Nu team will do their best to list all exchange resources by default in current and future marketing materials which are under their control.”
We don’t really need to refer specifically to ccedk in the motion text.
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Good point, I made it more generic and changed a few words to clarify. Like to hear some feedback on the disclaimer before having it up for voting. Is it too long, too short, should it refer to other disclaimers else where. Do we need to provide more guidance on risks?
We could provide guidance but come to think about it, there isn’t more exchange risk with Nu than with any other cryptocoin.
The length of the disclaimer is OK. If it looks long, use a smaller font …
I am fine with it.
Just posted the motion here: [Passed] Motion to list all NuBits and NuShares exchange resources (including CCEDK)