[Draft] Shareholder Pledge

[masterOfDisaster]

For nsr the answer is network spread. What is the answer for nbt?

I don’t understand that.
If NSR reserves are depleted and park rates don’t suffice, the USNBT price will fall below $1.
If NBT reserves are depleted and no other means to reduce NBT demand is available (I know of no other) the USNBT price will rise above $1.
So spread is the answer for both - albeit in different directions.

if shareholders refuse to print nbt and total demand exceeds total supply.

I don’t know a good reason for doing that. But a grant might be too slow if USNBT demand surges unexpectedly.

You can mitigate that risk by increasing the number from 50,000 USNBT to, say 250,000 USNBT.
The only problem with those USNBT is that they could get lost or abused. They are not prone to volatility risks.
At the moment over 500,000 NBT are on multisig or singlesig addresses and can be used to support the peg.

[Nagalim]

So spread is the answer for both

No it’s not. Spread is a means of getting mor bang for our dwindling buck. If NBT runs out, how can we sell nbt at a higher price? We don’t have anymore! The difference is that when the nsr reserve runs out we still have other buy side liquidity to leverage.

We should split it into two funds. One is operational and the other is for the peg. For example, if we run out of nbt for the peg we still need nbt to pay NuLagoon on contract.

[masterOfDisaster]

If there are no reserves left to support the buy side (wouldn’t other reserves be depleted before excessive NSR sale starts?), NBT price moves down.
If there are no reserves left to support the sell side, NBT price moves up.

Before the reserves are dry, you can increase the NBT sale price (USNBT > $1) to support a weak sell side or increase the BTC sale price (USNBT < $1) to support a weak buy side.

In both cases Nu can only sit and watch once all reserves are empty - or grant NBT or NSR to support the drained side.

Separating funds into peg support and contract payment would be great; either by forming another group in addition to FLOT or by splitting FLOT funds to different addresses for different purposes (to make accounting easier or possible at all).

[Nagalim]

wouldn’t other reserves be depleted before excessive NSR sale starts?

No, that’s the entire purpose of the standard and core motion. If we run out of btc the peg is lost. We start leveraging nsr before we run out of btc. When we run out of nsr we start leveraging nbt price to avoid running out of btc. Never run out of btc, it is our core.

you can increase the NBT sale price (USNBT > $1) to support a weak sell side

Making declarations like this is a recipe for disaster. Nbt supply can be recreated and sold at the drop of a hat. This problem is fundamentally different from nsr dilutions.

Only in the event of buy side running out should we institute additional network volatility. It is not a solution to the inverse event.

Nu can only sit and watch once all reserves are empty

That’s not true, that’s the whole point of this discussion. Ive already mentioned two ways to combat, network spread and asking our sister company for help.

Having an additional fund for operations gives us another avenue to leverage with special rules and conditions, like network spread.

[masterOfDisaster]

No, that’s the entire purpose of the standard and core motion.

Right, and it already passed, which is great!

Nbt supply can be recreated and sold at the drop of a hat. This problem is fundamentally different from nsr dilutions.

Sure and it doesn’t hurt to always have plenty NBT in FLOT reserve as buffer.

That’s not true, that’s the whole point of this discussion.

Maybe I should just hold off a bit. I lack the creativity to find workarounds - I don’t even realize them after you rub them under my nose

[Nagalim]

it doesn’t hurt to always have plenty NBT in FLOT reserve as buffer

Yes it does. That’s extra liability. Without a clear indication of where it is going and why and when it is unlikely to be transparently accounted for. This is about who has the keys to the kingdom: FLOT or shareholders.

[masterOfDisaster]

Maybe I’m just not sensitive enough for those matters after having experienced FSRT with 4 million NBT under direct control and seeing 300,000 NBT in two singlesig addresses.
I for one wouldn’t have second thoughts seeing FLOT with 200,000 NBT to support the sell side.

Shareholders always have the keys in a way that they make the rules for how to use them.

Doing all what FLOT does with grants is close to impossible and for sure only rarely possible in a timely manner.
While it might be possible for NBT related tasks, it’s not possible for BTC related stuff as long as there are no seeded auctions that tie NSR to NBT.

More rules make the job of FLOT easier, because it removes the burden of making decisions and brings FLOT more and more in a rubber stamping role - a multisig group acting based on rules; pretty much like reputed signers, although the reputed signers’ set of rules is the BCE protocol.

[Nagalim]

Shareholders always have the keys in a way that they make the rules for how to use them.

2 things here. Firstly, granting nbt is giving away keys. To treat it otherwise is to upend the entire concept of nbt ownership. Granting an excessive amount means the keys are no longer in shareholder control. You are correct that shareholders did not really have control of the system when fsrt had 4 million nbt.

Secondly, this motion is making those rules. This motion recognizes that decentralized bodies act most readily when questions of governance and expected response have been previously thought out and agreed upon.

[Cybnate]

Every 3 months, starting with January 1st 2016, that supply will be replenished

This will be as stifling as EU rules

It makes very few hard declarations on purpose to give shareholders and Nu law as much flexibility as possible without requiring revision.

I disagree re flexibility clearly.

Why not just have a pledge to replenish once it goes under a certain threshold any time? At least some flexibility. Personally I don’t like that too. When NSR reserves are starting to run out they need to be topped up OR other measures need to be taken. By the time this happens Shareholders can take the necessary decisions. Would a 10-day response time for a motion be too long? Then certainly 3 months is too long. I believe that those 25m wouldn’t be sold at once, but following a trend over a period leaving shareholders time to act.

[masterOfDisaster]

When NSR reserves are starting to run out they need to be topped up OR other measures need to be taken.

The conditions that define when and how much NSR value gets sold to replenish non-NSR reserves is defined in the “Standard and Core” motion:

[Passed] Standard and Core

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The 25 million NSR will last some weeks unless the NSR rate plummets.
This should give time to react.

[Nagalim]

other measures

These are spelled out. Basically, when we run out of nsr we use txn fees to impose RNA and we use T4 network spread to get more bang for our dwindling buck.

To make a shareholder pledge to endlessly dilute is irresponsible for a PoS blockchain that depends on the fair distribution of shares to function.

[Cybnate]

These are spelled out

Unfortunately yes, which doesn’t leave much room to move. How about withdrawing from BTC/NBT support before getting in such invasive measures? And maybe in a few weeks time some else comes up with even better ideas depending on the situation at hand. What are the threats and what are the possible responses? There is no ‘one rule fits all’ in this world.

I’m fine to provide some guidance on options and possible response we have, but spelling things out like this and making them law without ability to adapt only leads to disappointments as they won’t/can’t be adhered to in the future when the network is really under pressure.