Supply, Reserves, and Equilibrium (superseded by automation)

Nagalim 2016-03-09 16:27:50 UTC #110

You will, we all will eventually. This is not Nu’s final form.

masterOfDisaster 2016-03-09 16:51:48 UTC #111

As I don’t get paid for most of what I do, it won’t be very hard - financially speaking

nikolaso 2016-03-09 17:23:28 UTC #112

@nagalim i am intrested in this job, what qualifications are required?

also, i would like to present an idea maybe a better way for NSR to go up without fear of buyback being gamed.

What would happen if funds for weekly buyback are not spend on buying nsr? what if we just put buy offer at 70% (or 90%) of market price and never move it, until it is eaten by sellers? this way we could evade weekly nsr price bounces, as weekly highs are always when buyback is going to match market price - wednesday night.
This way we could buy more nsr for less price, and price would be much stable. also marketcap would be little biger cause nsr burning would be slowed down a little.

Any thoughts on idea?

Nagalim 2016-03-09 17:56:34 UTC #113

So what price? Are you shifting it every day to keep it at 70%? What happens when the wall starts getting very very large as we keep pouring funds into it? We’ve bought back about 500 btc of nsr so far. That would be a very large wall.

The qualifications are being trusted by shareholders. However, it’s a volunteer position so I cant help but question your motives. (No offense intended, just logic)

nikolaso 2016-03-09 20:03:30 UTC #114

I was talking about supporting NSR instead of buying it.
Example
week 1 price 700 sat buyback btc 10. if we put 10btc on 90% thats 630sats, and we dont move, just keeping it there until sold off.
week 2 price 750 buyback btc 15. we put on 675sats while buyback of week pone is still at 630
week 3 price 680 buyback btc 10, we put on 612.

this way by supporting nsr with these 25btc from 612 to 675 nsr price becomes more stable and harder to break, so dumpers are harder to dump. this could be more effective to price then buying for whole amount every week and alowing dumpers to break smaller weekly support

Nagalim 2016-03-09 20:06:14 UTC #115

So what if no one dumps onto us? Every day we hold those BTC is another day of liability.

Feel free to make a motion draft to catch more attention. Here’s an example of a motion that should be structurally similar to the one you’re looking to make:
[Voting] NSR Buyback Prices

masterOfDisaster 2016-03-09 20:06:43 UTC #116

Why would you want to push the price instead of buying as many NSR as you can for the money?

In a time with no buybacks or no intention to buy NSR that might be a viable strategy to increase the market value of the Nu network.

As long as buybacks are ongoing, the cheaper the NSR, the better!

mhps 2016-03-09 23:29:55 UTC #117

I start to feel dividends is actually a more elegant way to boost NSR valuation than buy back executed currently, where trades happen within like an hour every week at a price determined in the previous … half a day.

nikolaso 2016-03-09 23:52:39 UTC #118

Dividends would make nsr leave exchanges to deposit in wallets, so there would be less volume. also dividends in peercoin would boost peercoin price up, so

i thought purpose of buyback is to move price higher, not to burn nsr. why is burning so important?

mhps 2016-03-09 23:59:10 UTC #119

Because printing will be used to save the peg as a last resort.
When Nu sells NBT, it stores the value in NSR (distributed assset);
When Nu buys NBT, after the reserve runs out and parking isn’t enough, it extracts value from NSR to pay for the buying.
Taking NSR out of circulation is just a step of buyback. Burning is locking up and throwing away the key.

JordanLee 2016-03-11 19:16:36 UTC #120

I currently hold 84.8 BTC on behalf of shareholders.

mhps 2016-03-12 01:23:54 UTC #121

Can you confirm that the Nubits from the transactionare in B5Zi5XJ1sgS6mWGu7bWJqGVnuXwiMXi7qj ?

masterOfDisaster 2016-03-12 01:35:01 UTC #122

According to NuLagoon Tube, it was sent to this address and is still there:
http://blockexplorer.nu/address/BT9AWq9r1i6kghZc6LtrvNb2wRFh7JLCdP/1/newest

mhps 2016-03-12 01:47:49 UTC #123

It’s OK then.

change log
v 0.5.1 update Jordan Lee’s T4 BTC holdings

output

As of Sat Mar 12 01:42:02 UTC 2016
"blocks" : 783917,
Total NBT = 1278560.2779

FSRT multisig
Balance of BhCnQrYrA5LZm871dtMQEXeU93gmqbhdrC is 0 NBT
FSRT singlesig
Balance of BFTnCyMX1nsTNp6X7Bcm1qVocvShdbwtMi is 151500 NBT
JordanLee singlesig
Balance of B5Zi5XJ1sgS6mWGu7bWJqGVnuXwiMXi7qj is 150000 NBT
JordanLee singlesig from liquidity ops
Balance of BT9AWq9r1i6kghZc6LtrvNb2wRFh7JLCdP is 36553.054 NBT
FLOT 3-of-5 multisig
Balance of BqyRzFtWXDmjxrYpyJD42MLE5xc8FrB4js is 150964.3416 NBT

Total NBT in circulation is 789542.882300 NBT.
Required 15% reserve is 118431.432345 NBT

Tier 4 Funds

Tier 4 buy side funds controlled by FLOT
FLOT 5-of-8 multisig old
Balance of 3QDWJ2yqJ5iTUg6cSpAwxx95ba3NG97hzG is 0 BTC
FLOT 5-of-8 multisig new
Balance of 3HikFkS2Zinab1TJq7dqp6wSPyLu7i7bhe is 157.18102541 BTC
Tier 4 buy side funds controlled by JordanLee 84.8 BTC
NuSafe has $30000 for T4

bitfinex mid price is 421.405 USD
Tier 4 buy side funds total 241.981025 BTC and $30000.000000, valued $131972.014013 (313.171448 BTC)

118431.432345 NBT excluded from the share buyback calculation equals 281.039457 BTC.
313.171448 - 281.039457 = 32.131991 BTC sits in the share buyback pool.
10 percent of this 3.213199 BTC will be used for share buyback next week.
That is equivalent to approximately $1354.058167.

JordanLee 2016-03-18 23:58:42 UTC #124

There are 59.8 shareholder BTC in my possession.

FLOT NSR Operations (buy side)

Timeline of events related to the peg break 2016

mhps 2016-03-19 00:23:31 UTC #125

change log
v0.5.2 keep 4 digits after decimal in buyback BTC amount; update Jordan Lee’s T4 BTC holdings

output

Nushares buyback calculation. As of Sat Mar 19 00:19:05 UTC 2016
"blocks" : 794198,
Total NBT = 1278554.9412

Total NBT in circulation is 791537.565600 NBT.
Required 15% reserve is 118730.634840 NBT

Tier 4 Funds

bitfinex mid price is 407.625 USD
Tier 4 buy side funds total 216.981025 BTC and $30000.000000, valued $118446.890483 (290.578082 BTC)

118730.634840 NBT excluded from the share buyback calculation equals 291.274173 BTC.
290.578082 - 291.274173 = -0.696092 BTC sits in the share buyback pool.
10 percent of this -0.0696 BTC will be used for share buyback next week.
That is equivalent to approximately $-28.374436.

USD walls only?

Park Rate Voting

Nagalim 2016-03-19 01:45:39 UTC #126

How did we lose 25 btc if circulating nbt grew? Is it in gateways?

Edit: basically, yes, it’s in MoD’s gateway.

mhps 2016-03-19 01:55:32 UTC #127

that is 25btc less than

nikolaso 2016-03-19 01:57:46 UTC #128

so what does this mean? will there be any buyback this week?

Nagalim 2016-03-19 02:02:28 UTC #129

No, buybacks probably wont happen for a while. Hopefully the btc reserve motion will pass, we’ll go into the negative, the ppc reserve motion will activate, and as nbt demand grows we’ll start buying ppc. Im guessing we wont see another buyback till B&C drives up nbt demand sharply.