[Passed] ALix & RAW.coinerella - Six Month Contract (Proposed 11/2015)

mhps 2015-11-24 23:46:02 UTC #24

You are right. Sorry I forgot that page.

I thought there are several adquate free ones, such as http://dygraphs.com/

The BTC in T4 is temporary. A lot of buyback BTCs have gone into the hands of non-shareholders and will leave Nu. If tier 4 and the buy back value are not preserved well when the BTC price tide changes Nu will have an unprecedentedly hard time to maintain the buy side. Development is importand but we should spend it carefully.

masterOfDisaster 2015-11-25 00:03:01 UTC #25

I fully agree!

And that’s why I’d rather see a part of the funds spent on this kind of development than on so much more and (at least partly) predictable buybacks that make people rich who buy today and sell in one of the buy walls in the coming weeks.

A motion to preserve the T4 buy back value is something I have on my agenda once the T4 Circulating NBT threshold motion did pass.

cryptog 2015-11-25 15:22:03 UTC #26

I am fine with the amount request.

The only thing I need to discuss is the license.

So right now Nu would have to pay whenever the software is upgraded? (Nu could use the version it paid for for ever) or is it a license that lets Nu use the software for a certain amount of time?

Also, I am wondering why the software code is closed.
In case it is open sourced, obviously @willy would need to find another business model but it could make it more transparent.
What about maintenance fees?

willy 2015-11-26 15:07:07 UTC #27

Yes.

I’ve added the following paragraph to https://daology.org/proposals/f1321650972f798a608a40a82bf07854e36b0e69

Terms:
…
-The software’s code will by audited by trusted community member wolly_sammoth with every update.

This grant already received 10% of votes. Thanks for that, but that was a little early. Anyhow, it is now open for voting.

Mark 2015-11-26 18:09:19 UTC #28

@willy we are OK to pay for your valuable work, but why do you not want to make it open source? Please, arguments.

willy 2015-11-26 19:40:55 UTC #29

I want to build a long term revenue source for Coinerella with this service.
Open sourcing might threaten this goal because I could easily be replaced with someone else doing it for less money.

Give me some time, maybe one or two paid upgrades and I’ll get confident that I’ll be hired again regardless if it’s open source or not.

Needless to say, I think the audit solution I proposed is a good middle ground for the mean time.

Cybnate 2015-11-27 04:10:23 UTC #30

Is it an idea to have the source code encrypted in escrow? As we are talking a future trusted service I would strongly recommend to have at least that in place to ensure continuation.

willy 2015-11-29 19:12:23 UTC #31

@mhps I had a little time to play with dygraphs today. I’m currently exploring the possibilities… good catch.

Above: This is how our last 4 hours would look like in a chart.
What else would be useful?

Nagalim 2015-11-29 20:16:15 UTC #32

I really want to vote for this but I need a response to @Cybnate’s question.

willy 2015-11-29 20:36:19 UTC #33

Sorry, but I can’t imagine how that would work.

Nagalim 2015-11-29 20:41:08 UTC #34

you encrypt the source code, give it to someone for escrow (multisig?). Then, give the private key to specific trusted members of the community that will collude with you and not the escrow. The idea being that if you disappear and you don’t take a whole section of the community with you we will possibly be able to continue the project.
[best not-an-expert face I can muster]

mhps 2015-11-30 01:00:02 UTC #35

I am glad that you find it useful. Maybe leaving the raw data as scattered dots and only plot 15min and 4 hr moving average as connected curves will make the graph easier to read.

cryptog 2015-11-30 15:41:02 UTC #36

In case Nu can use for ever the version it paid for, how is that possible in practice? Are you going to maintain for free a server running that particular version for ever?

willy 2015-11-30 17:14:09 UTC #37

Sorry. I think I misunderstood the first time.
I would like to present you with a more sophisticated answer but I am currently on a mobile device.

Think about ALix as it would be world of warcraft.

You buy the base game. (this licence proposal)
You buy expansion packs. (future updates)
You pay a monthly fee to continue playing. (maintenance costs)

If you don’t pay the monthly fee, you have your wow licence, but you can’t use it. That would be the case here as well for ALix and raw.coinerella.

Cybnate 2015-12-01 07:42:50 UTC #38

Thanks for your response @willy But comparing this with a game is a bit unfortunate in my view. This is a piece of software I believe NU will need to rely on, that is not the case with a game. Therefore providing the Shareholders with the ability to continue the service in some way or the other when you are not available during an agreed timeframe and potential some other conditions is a requirement in my view. This assumes correct payments have occurred.

cryptog 2015-12-05 05:07:33 UTC #39

The piece of software is very useful but the license is a bit problematic since Nu wants to have control over the code.
I would vote immediately for that grant if @willy is willing to give away the basic code at the end of the term so that Nu is left with something in case Nu cannot pay any more for coinerella or @willy is unable to continue the service for whatever reason.

willy 2015-12-06 13:23:24 UTC #40

Little preview for the upcoming charts update:

https://alix.coinerella.com/walls/charts/

Far from perfect but functional and I hope useful to evaluate the current liquidity situation.

mhps 2015-12-06 13:30:53 UTC #41

Nice. It would be very useful to have a buy percentage chart.

willy 2015-12-06 19:14:19 UTC #42

Updated.
I’ll think about how to arrange those chart more neatly.

willy 2015-12-12 20:47:36 UTC #44

https://alix.coinerella.com/walls/charts/selector.php

is the result of this thought process.

Happy to hear your feedback.