Automated income streams of the future

[tylergillies]

So I’ve been messing around with the NuPool setup and watching my balance slowly increase. The fact that I can run a bot to provide a service and get PAID BY THE MINUTE absolutely blows my mind. Based on some rough maths, the payout rate of the liquidity pools are better than mining and minting, I want to start this thread to discuss other potential ways for people to earn money on the Nu platform from running automated, network aiding services in a decentralised manner. I think if we can innovate ways for people to earn money from the network we will have a real leg up on other alts [not that we don’t already]

Edit: I am adding a link to a blog article I just published that talks about some of these things:

[Sentinelrv]

Really what we need are automated ways for the network itself to make money and collect small fees for whatever services we’re providing, but what you’re talking about is important as well, since people would come from all over to provide a service for Nu and get paid. That would gain us a lot of allies and defenders. Barely anyone knows about our liquidity pools yet, but that will change as more get added and the pool operators start to advertise them.

[Nagalim]

I think you’ll find B&C is going to offer some crazy synergy with regards to allowing users to run programs that support the network and make money. The service we provide (actual real market liquidity) is simply better and more useful than mining or minting, so it costs more and pays out better. Note that we still secure the network with minting.

@tylergillies how would you feel about accepting nsr instead of nbt for your liquidity work? Would you start minting the nsr, or would you sell it off?

[tylergillies]

@tylergillies how would you feel about accepting nsr instead of nbt for your liquidity work? Would you start minting the nsr, or would you sell it off?

I actually don’t own any NuShare at all. 100% of all my crypto is in NuBits. I’m not an investor. I’m just a bloke that loves technology and treats NuBits like dollars that are more liquid [you can send them across the internet]. I don’t mine or mint or any of that stuff, so I would probably want payout to stay in NuBits since that is what I actually use.

[mhps]

provide a service and get PAID BY THE MINUTE absolutely blows my mind

It feels even better to know that the operation is mostly decentralized.

Based on some rough maths, the payout rate of the liquidity pools are better than mining and minting

Do realize that your fund is exposed to BTC prices if the pair is NBT/BTC. The shareholders are paying the liquidity providers to compensate the risk.

[Cybnate]

Barely anyone knows about our liquidity pools yet, but that will change as more get added and the pool operators start to advertise them.

As soon as the Plunge GUI is working, I’m intending to post the new liquidity pool on more places. I think it is a bit too hard to setup for the uninitiated at this stage. Like the mining pools we need a very easy setup to increase participation.

[tylergillies]

Do realize that your fund is exposed to BTC prices if the pair is NBT/BTC. The shareholders are paying the liquidity providers to compensate the risk.

I realise that in this specific case that it is merely compensation for risk, but in other potential situations where people can provide services that doesn’t necessarily need to be the case.

Also, If I use a liquidity pool that does a NBT/USD pair, does that risk go away?

Also, why not provide money for the actual service? The long term health of NuBits is dependant on decentralised liquidity providers as I understand it.

[mhps]

Also, If I use a liquidity pool that does a NBT/USD pair, does that risk go away?

Yes the exchange rate risk goes away.

Also, why not provide money for the actual service? The long term health of NuBits is dependant on decentralised liquidity providers as I understand it.

Exactly. For Bitcoin the coin holders pay the mere creation of the coins through dilution and pollution. What a bad deal.

[mhps]

Also, If I use a liquidity pool that does a NBT/USD pair, does that risk go away?

Yes the exchange rate risk goes away.

Also, why not provide money for the actual service? The long term health of NuBits is dependant on decentralised liquidity providers as I understand it.

Exactly. For Bitcoin the coin holders pay the mear creation of new coins through dilution and pollution. What a bad deal.

[Nagalim]

NBT/USD pair

We will compensate such a pair less (we are currently only compensating 1 nbt/fiat pair and it’s on ccedk, which includes a lot more exchange failure risk than usual, so the compensation is more about that than the hedging).

Ideally, NBT/USD compensation should be even lower than park rates, in my opinion, because you get money from volatility and you are in control of your funds at all times.

Please, always take advantage of anything the shareholders are doing that you think you can profit on.

[tylergillies]

I just moved my NBT over to Liquid Bits. Now I’m making 0.33% on my coins and no more hedge risk because I’m trading USD/NBT direct. I had to lower my rate to 0.12% on NuPool to get payment on my full amount of liquidity, this is much better.

[tylergillies]

We will compensate such a pair less (we are currently only compensating 1 nbt/fiat pair and it’s on ccedk, which includes a lot more exchange failure risk than usual, so the compensation is more about that than the hedging).

Now that we have tasted this nice rate what if later it were to be lowered and we were to go on ‘strike’ as it were and announce that we will only provide liquidity if you raise the interest rate?

Also why the hate for CCEDK did they do something bad?

[Nagalim]

CCEDK may or may not be insolvent. They got hacked and didn’t tell anyone about it, so that’s the risk you’re taking. I don’t hate them, I just have trouble trusting them.

Sure, go on strike. I’ll pay some other provider your share. You said yourself, it’s a good deal. If the freemarket says it’s not, then it’s not. Individuals should have small say in a decentralized system. Also, most LPC’s are shareholders, so you’d have to find a way to separate the shareholding LPC’s from the nonshareholding LPC’s and collude with them in a decentralized system. I don’t think striking is a big issue unless the compensation isn’t actually worth the risk.

[tylergillies]

I don’t hate them, I just have trouble trusting them.

I meant in general, not necessarily you

If the freemarket says it’s not, then it’s not.

On the first day, the free market said ‘let there be light’ and there was light

[Nagalim]

in general

CCEDK owes us NBT. Bter also owes us money, but they were at least somewhat upfront about it all and owe many people money, not just Nu.

[Cybnate]

Anyone interested in a good peer-to-peer model providing loans should have a look at this: https://www.harmoney.com/ . I just stumbled across it and it seems to get some traction. I’m not related to it in anyway. With a bit of imagination you can turn this model into something with investing and loaning NuBits. The verification of borrowers is probably the hardest part as it likely needs to be done locally.

But there is certainly money to be made in providing loans as discussed in earlier threads.
Is this our next project after the decentralized exchange?

[tylergillies]

Anyone interested in a good peer-to-peer model providing loans should have a look at this: https://www.harmoney.com/

From investor docs:
In addition, if the person is an individual, he or she must:
be a New Zealand resident (which Harmoney will verify through
the person having a New Zealand residential address and a bank account
with a registered New Zealand bank)

Also the thing about lending is that you’re lending, you have no access to the capital. One of the things I LOVE about the liquidity model is that I have 100% access to my capital at all times

[Cybnate]

From investor docs: In addition, if the person is an individual, he or she must: be a New Zealand resident (which Harmoney will verify through the person having a New Zealand residential address and a bank account with a registered New Zealand bank)

It was meant to be a model, not a opportunity or advertisement.

Also the thing about lending is that you’re lending, you have no access to the capital. One of the things I LOVE about the liquidity model is that I have 100% access to my capital at all times

I agree that the immediate access is great. However, the model I showed intends to provide opportunities to sell your stake in loans which gives some of that flexibility.

[tylergillies]

I agree that the immediate access is great. However, the model I showed intends to provide opportunities to sell your stake in loans which gives some of that flexibility.

Interesting! Can you sell the interest or is it just the principal?

I wrote up another blog article on using micropayments to make steady money